The case for Remaining needs saving from Remainers

by Kevin Meagher

There’s a fabulous scene in the recent Channel Four drama, ‘Brexit: The Uncivil War,’ where Rory Kinnear, playing David Cameron’s director of communications, Craig Oliver, storms into a focus group meeting of average voters and starts arguing with them in sheer frustration that the Remain campaign’s message just isn’t getting through.

As metaphors go, it’s just about perfect.

Stupid people don’t understand the issues or what’s at stake, so the swells need to barge in, shouting and finger-jabbing until the plebs acquiesce.

There’s no real mystery as to why the Brexiteers triumphed in 2016.

Remainers fluffed it.

Through the combination of a truly terrible campaign and their own unjustified sense of providence, they ‘lost’ Europe.

On the wrong end of a fair fight, Remainers have learned nothing and forgotten nothing from the experience.

All we have had for the past two years is incessant moaning about the manner of the loss, which, boiled down, usually amounts to “their lies were better than our lies.” Not to mention the daily epistles on Twitter from people like Andrew Adonis which long ago scaled the heights of self-parody.

We’ve had carping about the Leave campaign’s infamous bus and the hooky pledge to redirect the £350 million a week we contribute to EU coffers to the NHS instead. As though it’s the first porkie told in a political campaign.

Then it was the fault of selfish old people, but, never mind, they’ll die off soon.

Oh, and the referendum was only ‘advisory’ and should be ignored.

Next, it was all Jeremy Corbyn’s doing, despite the fact his qualified support for Remain – he is a lifelong Eurosceptic after all – is actually far closer to the centre-of-gravity of the 30 per cent of Labour voters who backed Brexit. (Perhaps if it were not for Corbyn that figure might have been higher?)

Finally, late in the day and after all other options were exhausted, came the demand for a second referendum. The tautological ‘People’s Vote.’ (The implicit assumption, I guess, is that it wasn’t real people who voted for Brexit in the first referendum?)

The 2016 Remain campaign was execrable in every possible way – made worse by the failure  to hold an autopsy on this historic defeat.

Driven from the centre by a collection of out-of-touch, by-the-numbers political class apparatchiks, it oozed condescension from Day One. Involvement in it should be an automatic disqualification from ever being let near a political campaign again.

The same cast of characters are certainly not fit to be let near a second referendum campaign because, in all likelihood, they will fritter that away too and Britain’s relationship with the European Union will be destroyed for a generation.

If there is to be a second referendum, it is too important to leave in the hands of the Sadiq Khans and David Lammys, or any of the other London-focused, centrist MPs who dislike what they see as the provincialism of the British working-class.

Anyway, a mere 71 Labour MPs could be mustered this week to demand that Corbyn backs a second vote – barely a third of the parliamentary party. Not so much a groundswell as a groundshrink.

So how should Remainers have responded to losing the first referendum?

Showing some grace and contrition would have been a good start. Their defeat was not a fluke. The Brexiteers plainly had a better message about taking back control and perhaps there is something exhilarating about being at the birth (or rebirth as Brexiteers would have it) of a nation and it trumps all other considerations.

Anyway, it was a maddening and unnecessary defeat as virtually the same thing happened during the Scottish referendum in 2014, with voters proving impervious to ‘Project Fear’ tactics and dry, technocratic, risk-based arguments. (In case anyone forgets, Scotland was five percentage points off independence).

In many Labour heartlands, the legacy benefits of 13 years of New Labour are now minimal and have been easily washed away by a decade of Tory austerity. People here cannot imagine their lot could be any worse outside the EU. Brexit served as a proxy for a range of frustrations around the lack of political delivery around their material needs, such as jobs and homes.

It doesn’t help that the party has a shortage of MPs who can cut-through with its base.

Take Doncaster. It voted by 69/31 for Brexit. That’s what happens when you parachute someone like Ed Miliband into a heartland seat. Labour has taken its core voters for granted for years and they don’t line up as promptly as they once did.

Not to mention Alan Johnson’s insipid leadership of the Labour Remain effort.

Yet, despite all this, the public will listen if they sense they are being taken seriously. The art of respecting where people are coming from has been lost by our political class who believe in their own omnipotence.

The referendum result should have been accepted – unequivocally. This would not have precluded carrying on making the case – politely – that while there are lots of problems with being part of the EU, there are real benefits too.

Yes, these are sometimes complicated and hard to distil into a retail message, but from greater consumer rights to cleaner rivers and beaches, the EU has played a civilising role in our country and we should be given the chance to think twice before we cut off our nose to spite our face.

So instead of posturing and superciliousness, making the case for a supplementary referendum on the outcome of the Government’s withdrawal deal should have been the single key message for the past two years.

But there was no discipline from Remainers and the tactic may have crystalised too late, with the entire period since Article 50 was triggered wasted with a cycle of denial, petulance and a focus on frustrating and delegitimising Brexit.

Given the utter turmoil in British politics, anything is still possible and perhaps a second referendum will tumble out of the back of the scrum. I wouldn’t hold my breath, but if that happens, it should be abundantly clear by now that the cause of remaining in the European Union must be saved from the bungling of the Remainers.

Kevin Meagher is the associate editor of Uncut

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32 Responses to “The case for Remaining needs saving from Remainers”

  1. Anne says:

    All very well Kevin but I genuinely believe we are better in Europe- how do we progress from here? Teresa May has operated with tunnel vision in the last two years and now look where we are – she should have been negotiating with other parties from the very beginning but what did she do -she rushed off to other counties trying to drum up trade deals – what did India say – yes we will increase trade but you must accept more immigration from India. Wasn’t immigration one of the reasons why some voted to leave the EU. Now, after two years, immigration from the EU has decreased while immigration from outside the EU has rocketed.
    I don’t believe Teresa May is capable of offering anything different. JC is right in saying that no deal should be off the table – this is definitely the worst option Probably going for a customs union and being in the single market may be the only option that will get through Parliament.

  2. Sometimes Kevin it amazes me that you can hit the nail on the head so accurately. Much of the Brexit vote was a protest against our political class. It seems to me it was particularly a vote against the New Labour/Cameron-Osborne style of politics. Much of our PLP is seen as the enemy to people who were once our core vote. Brexit may well be self-harm on national scale, but it really can’t be stopped by the same tactics already found wanting.

  3. Ultraviolet says:

    This is a very incisive argument. There is one additional point I would make. Tories, and to a degree New Labour, had long blamed the EU for their own policies. So once the campaign kicked off, the likes of Cameron and Johnson were in no position to make the case that actually they themselves were to blame for much of what Leave voters blamed on the EU.

    As for where next, the step I cannot describe is how we get to a Labour-led Government. But if we do, I would expect it to negotiate a better deal with the EU, but one that still does not meet the six tests. I would also expect them to get an assurance that if we were to remain, we could renationalise key industries. And in parallel, the Government would start to implement domestic policies to address the problems these communities face – this is what the Tottenham and Mansfield section of Corbyn’s recent speech was about.

    I would then expect Labour to say that because the deal does not meet the six tests, they are going to put the question back to the people. Having demonstrated a commitment to meet these communities’ needs, and having addressed one of the main left wing arguments for Brexit, I would expect Remain to win; and even if it didn’t, the Brexit we would get would be much less damaging than what the Tories are offering.

  4. Anne says:

    Don’t agree Kevin – why is it that Brexiteers (quitters) seem to be mostly white middle aged men who shout, bully and lie. They are seen outside Parliament harassing MPs, and on question time – shouting and being rude. How have we as country been taken in by charlatans like Biris Johnson and the like – He lies and lies again and oh that must be ok because he is an MP and that was once a position to be respected. How have we sunk so low to find this is acceptable behaviiour. How is that that the leave side in the referendum has benn found to have been corrupt and nothing has been done about it – how is that right. Then to say the remainders (stayers) fluffed it – well that is a bit rich don’t you think. I feel like someone who has spent a lot of money on an item and just realised I been sold a pup by a group of very nasty charlatans.

  5. Anne says:

    I have often blamed our right wing leaning media for supporting extreme Brexit Tories in this Brexit mess. I am disappointed in Fiona Bruce in this weeks question time – I thought she would be above this behaviour. She allowed and agreed with the bad manners demonstrated at the expense of Diane Abbort – totally disrespectful. I am not a natural Corbyn supporter but I happen to think he is right on this point – a no deal would be the worst outcome for our country – this position is supported by the majority of business – there is great uncertainty and this is affecting business and investment in our country. Look at the nuclear industry where investment is being pulled. Moorside in Cumbria was to provide 7% of our countries energy requirements- this can’t be replaced by renewables alone – the lights will go out. Now investment is being pulled from other nuclear plants – not a word said about this from this Tory government – this is a disgrace – this is a loss thousands of jobs. Rory Stewart (on the panel of question time) lives in the next constituency to Moorside – there he was being totally rude – smirking and laughing at Diane Abbort. The two standing up for Moorside are Sue Hayman (Labour Workington) and Rebecca Long Bailey (shadow business minister).

  6. Bill Melville says:

    You have obviously been fooled by remain propaganda. The famous red bus did not say – spend all of IT on the NHS instead – it said Lets fund the NHS instead. Maybe my English is a little old fashioned but while the bus message was saying that some of the money saved would be spent on the NHS it was in noway saying that all of it would be spent on the NHS. Other messages had already said that such money would or could be spent on Education, maintaining some form of farm subsidy etc etc.

  7. Bill Melville says:

    What makes you think that we would not have enjoyed cleaner rivers and beaches and greater consumer rights without the EU. After all we could vote in a government that would offer such in their manifesto. Little chance of Labour doing it however, as long as it is controlled by Thatcherite New Labour MPs.
    Labour is about to lose my vote. It seems that after offering the public unequivocal Brexit in their manifesto, their party conference decisions take precedence over their Election promises. What chance has Corbyn of getting his ideas put into practice when he puts party democracy before national democracy.

  8. Jade says:

    The UK has had a poor track record through the decades of taking care of our environment according to analysis by Friends of the Earth. It required, and still requires, EU laws to force British governments to clean up their act and our environment:

    Other examples of environmental neglect by British governments:

    All of the above is hardly surprising when you consider that the UK is probably one of the most neoliberal countries in the EU. It seems we need the EU to protect us from our own governments and to rein them in.

  9. vern says:

    Having read this article and some of the comments it would appear that nothing has changed and if things were re run it would have the same outcome.

    Remain had nothing to offer, they still don’t – they are promoting the status quo. Who in their right mind would want to stay as we are – change is generally a positive thing and Leave offered hope of a different future. Even if its not tangible or particularly well defined, it triumphs over sticking as we are !

    And 2 years on Remain have still failed to provide a coherent case for membership of the EU that doesnt sound like the deluded ramblings of a sore loser. Whichever way I look at it im struggling to see that memebership of the EU represents Value for Money and we know that we will get less out of it in the future. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

    Leave are tired of hearing the constant noise of remainers regurgitating Guardian & Independent nonsense and scare stories from so called professionals and experts that get ever more far fetched as desperation reaches feverpitch.

    Apparently, the educated voted for Remain – perhaps they did, but the brave, visionary and gutsy voted to Leave and thankfully we outnumbered those who are content with their lot. I see education and healthcare professionals sneer at Leavers whilst picking up a guaranteed weekly wage, a gold plated pension and a career on easy street where they will never feel the pressure of a recession or have to cue for their dole. Please forgive us for not sharing you rather comfortable view of the future. And its most definately not a protest vote Danny Speight – you do the electorate a disservice with such naive accusations.

    I’ve explained on here before that had that totally useless Corbyn stuck to his beliefs about the EU (he is a Leaver) then his followers, those who seem unable to think for theirselves could quite possibly have pushed the vote nearer to 60/40 and much of this would now be forgotten. But he chose to oppose, believeing this was the Governments Brexit. He chose to oppose because he has spent his career oppossing and disagreeing with everything. i reckon he has now earned nearly £2m in wages, not bad for a life achieving naff all. Only Corbyn could snatch defeat from possible glory with May’s handling of Brexit and he now looks incredibly naive. No deal is our only bargaining chip and he wants this taken off the table. Why? Because he opposes the Government, whether its right or wrong to do so – Corbyn just opposes. Clueless.

    I heard that our economy is 85% service sector – this is unsustainable in the long term but our governments and EU have been complicit in this. Im sure that generations of families hoped for better futures. Futures that were creative, building and manufacturing and not sat behind a desk in a call centre. We have lost 65% of our manufacturing whilst being in the EU and again our governments complicit in this.
    Having lots of angry young people without a future is a recipe for chaos – look at Southern Europe. We need to build and manufacture here again and our only way to do this is to reinvent the Greatest Britain ever.

    Im not blaming anyone but we are watching and we see what is happening and how this affects our villages, towns, cities and communities and we want to be in control of this in the future. Our politticians are going to have to work bloody hard for their wages in the future, with proper planning as to what this country needs in order that GB sits on top of the world again.

    Closer to home. Jaguar Land Rover have just laid off 5000 workers and just a few years ago JLR was was given a £80m EU loan to build a new plant in Slovakia. Its easy to get cynical when you consider JLR had invested £100’s of millions in new diesel technology in Telford making them a world leader whilst also beneffitting from Volkswagens emissions scandal only to see the EU go in to meltdown on diesel engine technology, scuppering JLR’s innovation. Like i say, its easy to get cynical, maybe JLR have been asleep at the wheel, maybe our governments are complicit in this, maybe the EU planned it this way – who knows.

    Maybe, its just a big game that keeps the Left arguing with the Right (it was all Thatchers fault) and the Right with the Left (it was the Union’s fault) and this distracts us from what is actually happening…..

    And Anne, im lost for words if you think Dianne Abbot was bullied by Fiona Bruce and Question Time. Just because Momentum say it, doesn’t make it true. And if anything, the BBC has always been left of centre whilst trying to portray its impartiality. Again, the BBC are those cushy public sector, gold plated pension brigade who love to tell us how we should think and the majority employed by the Beeb would vote Labour.

    Dare to be different, stand tall and believe in a better future for all. One that will be within our gift to give after the 29th March.

    Rant over

  10. John P Reid says:

    Last week David Lammy showed outrage at Rod liddles article that African Caribbean Boys have a 30% chance of not having their father in their household,and knife fights are the prefered way of fighting for black boys, where as Turkish would fight with another weapon, of a White boy would fight with a boot to the head, it was then revealed Lammy had written an article wuth exactly the same point 6 years ago
    It was clear he was showing outrage to appeal to people interested in victim politics

    Lammy ever since Momentum took over Hackney and Tottenham, 3 years ago has been worried about being deselected,and able hangs around with, Peoole in the past he disliked, like Lee Jasper

    I wasn’t going to blog here again, the previous 3 article this week have been so embaressing

    But yes the neo liberal, socially identity policy of Blair and Cameron , did see th working class outside London vote leave, rejecting this

    I’m not sure what is defined as ablaitite in the PLP, Lammy being a good example of not a Blairite but someone who now follows the identity politics that saw the working class reject the EU

    My question if Blairites/Momentum/ Lammy wing are listening Is, labour need to keep the working clas who voted labour outside London to win a election, The only way to stop aueserity,is win a election, nine of this It’s a moral victory to support remain and lose the working class vote, as Labour can’t help the homeless or those who go to food bank, by thinking that these buyers remorse, for rejecting the Liberal capitalist club, that is the EU

    Take the polls, there’s 4 who don’t vote for Plaid, SNP, Ukip, Green Tory, Libdem and Labour, there’s possibly 2% ex libdem who could go to labour, 1% from the SNP and half a percent from Greens and Plaid, so at the most if the two main parties were level pegging in 38% labour could get 42%
    There’s between 3.5 to 6% of the Ukip vote ,currently 7% that could go Tory

    The best labour can hope for is get ex libdem votes and hope Ukip split the right vote, like we hoped in 2015, so that would be 42% Labour, 38% Tory 7# Ukip, I can’t see that happening Ukip vote will go back to the Tories

    Labour has lost a couple of percent in not proposing stopping Brexit to the libdems’ if labour did propose stopping Brexit it would lose 6% to UKIP

    The fact of the remainer PLP in safe seats is look to the likes of Gloria De piero or Jon Cruddas seats, string leave seats and marginals,if labour supported remain they’d lose their seats and that wouldn’t be a moral victory for them, even if Lammy thought it wasn’t

    To win a election labour needs to get Tory Brexit voters,and say tothe labour voter who’s voting libdem,sorry we tried to stop Brexit we lost, we’ve got new battles concede and move on,

  11. Anne says:

    I don’t usually respond to comments made – in fact I rarely read them. I am not a momentum fan – I see this group as a pressure group for JC – I believe the Labour Party should be just that – not having a group within the Party. Nor am I a particular fan of Diane Abbott. I did watch Question Time and, in my opinion, Diane was treated unfairly or rather disrespectfully. Fiona Bruce should remain impartial as chair of the panel – she joined in and appeared to agree with some of the comments made – it seems to becoming more of the Fiona Bruce shaw rather than a serious political programme. Nor do I beleive for one minute that Labour are 6 points behind in the polls. Also, I think it time for a radical change of people who are invited onto the panel – same old faces – some of whom are really poor communicators and rude with it. Time for some new blood.
    Very good interview by Kier Starmer on The Andrew Marr programme – one of the few politicians who talks any sense about Brexit – excellent.

  12. John P Reid says:

    Anne the amount of ex labour mainly remainers I know who agree with this article says it all

  13. John P Reid says:

    Corbyn wants no deal northern working class brexiter want no deal
    Neo liberal Conservatives don’t want no deal Theresa May knows that she can get working class northern labour votes with no deal
    Ultra Capitalist Tory MPs want a deal,but it won’t get working class northern brexit votes, but if the Tories have no deal and it does get working class northern brexit votes it’ll show the Tories are so desperate for power by getting Working class Nodthern votes they’d be prepared to junk the Capitalist Neo liberal idea of a deal

  14. Tafia says:

    Anne, I work closely with the logistics etc including to the nuclear indistry. The reason the new builds are facing investment difficulties is nothing to do with the UK government. The UK government has done as much as it can and is bordering on breaching EU State Aid rules. Its the Japanese – they literally cannot raise anymore capital and have failed to meet their commitments. International big project investors regard nuclear as toxic and will notsupport it. It takes decades to get a return and they aren’t prepared towait that long. In addition, its not as clean as its made out to be, for example the pollution and CO2 caused by creating all the steel and concrete used to build them isnt included nor is transporting it to the purchase point.

    Then there’s the technolgy. This sort of technology is obsolete before it even gets built. Big investors are holding back to see whats next rather than investing in something that will invariably go over budget, be laye, is already obsolete, is not as green as claimed and will take decades to produce a return.

  15. Anne says:

    Again, against my better judgement. Sorry John, I can’t make head nor tail of your argument. I believe many people did vote to leave the EU for different reasons, but the bottom line should be the economy- that is Labour’s position or to use a well used quote (I believe first used by Bill Clinton) ‘it’s the economy stupid.’ It is all very well saying ‘leave means leave’ or the sun will be brighter when we leave if a lot of people are put on the dole because of it – this makes no sense. Our NHS, and services depend on a robust economy. I believe we do have to be guided by experts – they do explain complicated information and work on evidence based practice. The majority of economists and business leaders do say that a no deal would be the worst position to be in. I consider Kier Starmer to be the best Brexit negotiator- Labour’s position is for a customs union and close to the single market – this is also (I believe) the minimum condition that the SNP would agree too, and it also prevents a hard boarder on the Isle of Ireland and has certainly more chance of keeping the union together. This position, however, does mean having a Labour government, and, in some ways, this kills two birds with one stone – getting rid of this terrible Tory government. A so called people’s vote would, I believe, would become decisive, mainly from right wing groups – we already see this outside Parliament

  16. Anon says:


    Well said.

    I remember discussing, many years ago, the UK’s industrial position, and I was always reminded by my EU colleagues that “the EU helped the UK to deindustrialise” and I always wondered why this was seen as a good thing.

    For the modern environmentalist mindset Thatcher would be seen as a hero for shutting down the mines.

    Whether we believe in the Global Warming scenario or not, it has been noticeable that the EU’s Emissions Trading Scheme has hit UK industry hard – whether it be steel or aluminium; and it hasn’t eased the problem of CO2 emissions but just moved the problem elsewhere.
    The EU’s policies on bio-fuels were also a disaster causing huge environmental and human damage around the world.

    The ridiculous scenario of encouraging the UK people to use diesel instead of petrol, and then the about-face that followed should really result in prosecution for the advocates of that policy.

    Nothing will ever deter me from the point of view that there are sections of UK politics that wish to see the UK fail for the purpose of us having to depend on the EU.

    Leaving the EU should be the first step in bringing these people to account.

  17. Gordon McArthur says:

    Much plain truth, here, in this article Kevin

    As a bemused Remainer, even now open to persuasion, who always want to hear the clear Pros and Cons argument regarding current EU institutions that never happened; I’m now of the view that Article 50 needs to be Cancelled outright, immediately, so a rationale consensus based plan for ‘respecting the Referendum decision’ can be developed in a reasonably unified way. It feels to me that MPs created this Referendum crisis, by enabling a constitutional brakes-free vote, and MPs need to conclusively end it right now. Even Blue Labour have suggested a real deal (for the UK, outside the EU) would have to include a comprehensive programme of constitutional reform of the UK, on federal lines, including devolved decision making within England.

  18. John P Reid says:

    Anne, Clinton’s comment its the economy
    Was The public vote for who they think will control the economy to many them richer

    This applies in the USA, labour won in both 1974 and 1997 where polls showed the public still trusted labour less in the economy than the Tories, Enron after the ERM , bit were willing to give labour the benefit of the doubt

    To quote bob Dylan , If you’ve got nothing you’ve got nothing to lose, was the reply poor wotking class brexiters gave, when project fear said ‘you’ll be worse off under brexit,’

    I can’t beluve I’m quoting Chris Williamson , but as he said so what if we go from the 5th biggest economy to the 6th as long as we get the homeless off the street

    The fear that we may have to see some eve I If hardship for the middle, due to brexit is nothing compared the freedom of a future labour government to be able to nationalise stuff to get those at the very bottom in a decent standard of living,

    The NHS doesn’t rely on a robust economy, it relies on tax, the idea the nhs has to compensate with people dying due to austerity and the Anaya’s curing them, only affects a few people

    Many Tories want a deal brexit but not Mays deal, a capitalist deal on getting cheaply paid workers from elsewhere

    Theresa May knows a no deal would appeal to working class northern labour voters, but not ultra That herites, she also knows she could get a overall majority with those voters

    And then if she did get a k stall majority, labour would have to say in 2024 if we want to win a election we need working class Northern Tory brexit voters
    Labour can’t get back libdem votes, all libdem voters know if there was a Tory/Libdem coalition government in the summer, all libdems accept they would prefer acable going into coalition with May, not Corbyn

  19. Anne says:

    Well said Francis O’Grady (TUC) telling Mrs May to ‘stop playing to the bad boys at the back of the class’ and start listening. This should have been done a long time ago. Better still let us vote this bad lot out of office.

  20. John P reid says:

    Anne, the libdems are on 7% the remain party

  21. Hugh Thomson says:

    “…Alan Johnson’s insipid leadership of the Labour Remain effort.”

    Who was the leader of the Party at the time of referendum? And who almost disappeared from view over the course of that campaign? Which leadership team continually failed to attend Remain campaign meetings because they were ‘too early’? And whose adviser blocked and or delayed Remain press releases?

    Johnson wasn’t the leader of the Party. He did not have the influence or the access to resources.

    The behaviour of Corbyn and his team over the course of the campaign was abysmal. It can only be explained as either (i) serial incompetence; (ii) deliberate obstruction; or (iii) both incompetence and obstruction. My bet is (ii) – it was deliberate.

    Failure to mobilise the Labour vote was a significant factor in the defeat of the Remain campaign. And for that the ultimate respeonsibility lies with Corbyn and his team.

  22. John P Reid says:

    Hugh, What did You expect cotbyn to do have an emergency conference and get Ken Mcklusky to get though conference that labours national policy was to not back remain

    Corbyn couldn’t canvass for what he wanted Leave, and he could only pretend so much that he wanted remain
    He now wrongly is worried that Lady Nugee, or Yvette Cooper could become leader so he’s pretending to want another referendum not to upset Mimrnrum Chsnoagne guardian readers

  23. Tafia says:

    Hugh Thomson Failure to mobilise the Labour vote was a significant factor in the defeat of the Remain campaign. And for that the ultimate respeonsibility lies with Corbyn and his team.

    Complete drivel. More people from every socio-economic group voted in the referendum than in any other vote ever.

    You just can’t get your head round the reality. Outside of London and the metropolitan areas, the working class despise the EU and that’s all there is to it. It wasn’t something new that happened in the referendum, it’s what they have always thought. Next you’ll be trotting out the limp garbage of ‘left behind communities’

    The truth of the matter is that the working class do not vote Labour anymore. And why on earth would they. They know which side their bread is buttered – and it isn’t the side that’s riddled with politically correct dead-heads.

    I recently re-located to Yorkshire. I live in an old mining and steel area that is still heavily working class. It has a Tory MP, a Tory council and the Labopur Party is regarded as a sick joke. The rubbish Labour and the EU comes out with and has come out with for over a decade does not resonate with them. They don’t want working time directives – they want to work overtime. They don’t want to compete with eastern europeans for low skill low pay jobs. They don’t want to have to register with doctors miles away from where they live because the local surgeries lists are full with EU migrants. And they are sick to the back teeth of seeing more and more Polish shops, Romanian Big Issue sellers. And they are sick to the back teeth of groups of east european young men hanging around town centres ogling young women and mocking the elderly. Covering-up and minimising the child rape gangs and not being prosecuted for it when they are just as complicit as the rapists. And then they have to listen to condescending and laughable comments by mickey-mouse Labour politicians who live in nice leafy suburbia in big houses driving BMW 4x4s telling them how great multi-culturalism is and how great freedom of movement is. And they certainly aren’t going to vote for them.

    I’ll tell you how they think:-
    They support the Armed Forces.
    They like the royal family.
    They like nuclear weapons
    They want to run their own lives, not have government thinking they know better.
    They think people who can work but choose not to should be made to.
    They want drugs stamping on – severely.
    They want the ethnic ghettos breaking up.
    They want immigrants made to integrate or made to leave.
    They want far longer sentences for sex offenders.
    They want foreign born people convicted of sex, drug or violence to be extradited. Without the ‘Human Rights’ nonsense.
    They are not big fans of re-nationalising stuff – especially the older ones who remember how appallingly they used to be run.
    They aren’t big fans of Trades Unions and think they should keep their noses out of politics and out of politically correct clap-trap.
    And they have had more than enough of middle class tossers telling them they know better. They don’t.
    They are big supporters of the French Yellow Jackets who are still wreaking havoc in France despite the main stream media clampdown (the protestors videos are all over social media every weekend, sometimes with live feeds. There was rioting in at least 5 French cities last night alone. They also now post training videos about how to minimise the effects of CS gas and how to disarm a riot cop..)

    Labour needs another 4 million votes at the next election. I wouldn’t bother looking at the suburban working class for them – you no longer represent them.

  24. Tafia says:

    Oh. And they are big fans of Israel and Donald Trump.

  25. Anon E Mouse says:

    The Labour Party supporters (known as the working class) in the Midlands and North came out to stick it to the globalists and wealthy and given a second referendum they would do exactly the same again only in larger numbers. Corbyn knows this.

    Politicians in this country propose ignoring the majority at their peril and if they want to put minority parties ahead of Labour they are gong the right way about it.

  26. John P Reid says:

    What Tafia and Anon a mouse ,said

    I’ve also heard some Blairites from A Marginal area, where the Seat voted leave, who want labour to canvass for remain in another referendum, for it to not get it out its their local policy , as it’ll cost the Labour Party votes in their Marginal Barking Area, but don’t care if it loses labour votes up North,and they can blame acorbyn.

  27. Anne says:

    These Tory Trolls are in complete denial regarding the implications of a no deal Brexit – even at this late hour in negotiations. The retail sector are warning of food shortages and price increases in the event of a no deal. This is not project fear but reality. This will affect every family and unfortunately the poorest, who are already struggling, the hardest. This is a Tory mess. It has brought our country to a very low place – regardless of whatever pathway is chosen it take a very long time to recover – all quite unnecessary- we were doing very well thank you without all of this – Brexit has caused many unpleasant consequences.

  28. John Munro says:

    Interesting that the Scottish Referendum was mentioned. My view has always been that Cameron, despite his supposedly stellar academic record isn’t all that politically savvy. He clearly thought he could replay the No side campaign in the Scottish vote and win the Euro referendum

    He forgot a number of things.
    1) He went into the Scottish campaign with a 20%+ lead for No. It ended up with about a 10 point lead at the end. He lost a near 20% lead.
    2) He had every political organisation bar the SNP and Scottish Greens on his side. Labour provided the No foot soldiers; often from England. Over Brexit Labour was not fully on board and his own party largely pro-Brexit.
    3) Virtually the entirety of the Media was anti Scottish Independence and behaved in an outrageously biased and dishonest way. That included the BBC. During the Brexit campaign Most of the print media was pro-Brexit.
    4) Cameron was able to use virtually the whole government apparatus in a way which was totally at odds with the old strictures of Civil Service impartiality. Macpherson, Heywood and many of their officials behaved abominably. They couldn’t do that during Brexit.

    Its now a bit unfashionable to bring this up but during the Brexit campaign both Salmond and Sturgeon, drawing on their experience of the Scottish referendum strongly warned Cameron, Osborne and Co that they were fighting the wrong campaign in the wrong way.

  29. Vern says:

    Anne – it is scaremongering. What foods will their specifically be a shortage of? Which ones will the poorest be affected by? You don’t know and neither do the supermarkets.
    And in my opinion the divisions that have occurred since Brexit are mostly as a result of the Remain side being unable to deal with losing. Anger and hate never solved anything and that’s all I see from those in the Remain camp.
    A new wave of entrepreneurs will emerge across the UK who will see Brexit as a brilliant opportunity to invest in everyones futures. My advice to you would be to mellow your obvious disappointment in losing the referendum because the outcome is we are leaving the EU.

  30. John P Reid says:

    Anne, Tory trolls, !!
    you imply because me and Tafia don’t vote labour anymore and accept many of the Wotking class in thr North of England, bristol or Wales, or East London, accept Brexit we’re Tory trolls
    Tafia was canvassing for labour 50 years ago, upto 2003 and me from 1987 upto last November
    We’d like to vote labour as would the communities we represent
    If we still consider ourselves in the left, we’re not going to come back to labour by being called atory trolls
    You do realize the ERG group want a deal,they just don’t want T May’s deal,and Corbyn wants no deal.

    The only way this is a Tory mess, is Tory governments, from 1960 have wanted every more towards the EU, the only difference was the Tories were hostile to the EU while, in opposition from 1997-2007, but did nothing to stop the slide to a undemocratic capitalist club, when they came to power in 2010

    Yes May should have said to the EU, we’ll settle in no deal from the beginning, that way she’d have a stronger hand,

    The main unpleasantness, of Brexit is the snobbery,and contempt for democracy, the liberal elite are doing to stop giving the working class what they want.

    What years it will take to recover, is repairing the damage mass immigration, class flight, class cleasning’ and the demographic quick changes that have seen families seperated from their parents by hundreds of miles

  31. Richard MacKinnon says:

    “Rob Marchant return to base. Your mission is complete.”

    Chuka Umunna
    Funny tinge woman
    Crazy self promoting Tory woman
    other nonentities

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